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  1. Eugene Verbitsky
  2. Remembering Verbitsky
  3. Verbitskiy Evgeny died today
  4. Old Friend
  5. Both sides are right
  6. Should have Clipped the wings
  7. performance question
  8. The Hammer and the Feather
  9. Patterson Results
  10. Calm at Old Blighty
  11. F1B models and parts for sale

Eugene Verbitsky
From: gilbert morris

The passing of Eugene Verbitsky marks the end of an era of extraordinary model airplane advancement.  During the golden years of his dominance he chased others and they chased him to a technical crescendo which has  left us overwhelmed. This is the way FAI is suppose to work. Fortunately, we have the organization and leadership to restore the progress.

Remembering Verbitsky
From: Fred Terzian

This is truly a sad day for the free flight aeromodelling community. Evgeny (Eugene) was a class act and one of the best international representatives for our sport. He was gracious when I first met him (around 1980-1981) at the U.S. Free Flight Champs at Taft and throughout the years following up until the last time I saw him at Lost Hills around 2015 or 2016. A true gentleman, and I am glad to have known him as one of my best F1C friends.

A little history when I first met him:

I had read about him since the early Seventies but by chance finally met him at Taft, a year or two after we hosted the ’79 World Championships there. The Soviet Union had boycotted this event in response to the U.S. boycotting the Olympics held in the Soviet Union several years before.

At that time, Eugene became the aeromodelling representative to Cuba for their FAI program, helping them learn to design and fly competitive models in all categories flown internationally.

He was not allowed to travel from Cuba to the United States because of our trade embargo, so he could not secure a visa. Crafty Canadian F1A flyer Peter Allnutt came up with a plan that allowed Eugene to visit Canada and could be flown there by way of a Canadian airline, I believe Peter was still employed in the airline industry at that time and was able to accomplish this.

Peter then brought Eugene to the U.S. by way of automobile transportation down the West Coast to Taft. I do not recall if Eugene spoke English at that time but I do know that he picked up Spanish in Cuba!

At Taft, I noted that he was wearing a leather belt which on the back was inscribed the words “Cuba Libre”. I went over to him and introduced myself speaking Spanish (I was born in El Salvador and became bilingual at an early age). I took some photographs of him starting his BE-35 aluminum skinned F1C power ship with his centrifugal hand cranked starter. That photograph was published in black and white in the NFFS “Free Flight” digest of that period, and the color rendition was blown up to Kodak poster size and was displayed in the NFFS Hospitality Suite at several World Champs venues here in the U.S. At that time I was the NFFS Plans and Publications Chairman.

Over the years, I gave Eugene color photographs that I had taken of him in competition here in California and at the ’91 World Champs held in Zrenjanin, Yugoslavia.
I have attached a copy of that poster photograph in this message for all to share.

Please extend my deepest sympathy to his extended family and Ukrainian sportsmen. I will miss him deeply,

Fred Terzian
Oakland Cloud Dusters President
Member of SCAT

Verbitskiy Evgeny died today
From: Hobby Club

Very sad news..!

Old Friend
From: Lee Hines

Evgeny & I had an ongoing joke between us where he called me ‘The Old Man’, when he learned I was born June 5 while he was born June 16. He conveniently omitted the fact that he was born two years before me!
He was a true friend and I miss him.

Both sides are right
From Stuart Darmon

oops- another case of “divided by a common language”? The point still stands, though. There will never be consensus on the issue of reduced performance FAI flying because both sides are right. Modern models are awesome and to ban them seems like a victory for mediocrity over excellence. But not to ban them (or at least restrict them) is to make the supposed international sport impractical in all but a small and ever shrinking handful of locations. I’m becoming increasingly convinced that a single set of rules;-one size fits all- is no longer fit for purpose. As usual I agree with Chris Edge (apart from the Coco pops, what about the porridge miners?). Could such a set of specs somehow co- exist with current ones to be used on ‘category 2’ sites not currently suited to full-on performance flying, in the manner of low-cieling indoor venues? Shouldn’t affect World cup status as such models would be flown like against like, and meet FAI spec (I.e., unlike previous restricted tech. proposals, wouldn’t get different rubber allowance or whatever). Perhaps we can have our (oat) cake and eat it?
Cheers, Stuart

Should have Clipped the wings
From: Steve Helmick

As previously posted, I proposed wingspan limits for AB&C back in the 1980’s. I still think it’s the way we should have gone, but with the cost, investment in and durability/lifespan of Buy Tech models, it’s way too late now.  Steve (O’Bat) Helmick

performance question
From: David Ackery

In my view there is not one question, but two,
I am happy with flying the first 5 or 7 rounds. These flights are  normally to a 3 minutes max, and through the day when there is up and down air, so drops are always a risk.

However it is when we get to the flyoff it can sometimes become difficult to manage . Often the CD is driven to get the contest over that day, because  the next day is Monday and people have to get home and get back to work. A few people get to fly at Lost Hills, but most do not and have to use a field that is more average, it is smaller and has physical limits. We have seen contest organizers resort to DT flyoffs to find  a result while there are still people left on the field. This may be the least worst option but I think we agree that is not satisfactory. The next option is to use altimeters to time the flyoff flights, but that just encourages flying OOS (out of sight) and off the field. The stuff of nightmares for any CD trying hard to work within land use limitations from surrounding farmers, or without sending models into the woods.

I believe that we deserve contests that are resolved by normal flying, not by early DT or who is highest after a few minutes.

So we need the CD, to have the option, to deploy in the flyoff a reduced performance requirement, (just like the CD has the option now to use extended maxes, in some cases).

With free flight there can never be any guarantees, but this would help 1) keep flights on the field, and 2) resolve  the contest by actual flying.

David Ackery

The Hammer and the Feather
By Aram Schlosberg
It’s so nice to have annual rule discussions after missing CIAM’s Nov 15th submittal dead line each year. Thank you Bernard Guest.
Yes, we have over-performance issues, but only in flyoffs!
First, the 6+ minute flights will inevitably land way off the field and sometimes beyond major roads with any breeze. Second, late evening flyoffs become hazardous moon light retrievals. Third, flyoffs can be very large, draining the timer pool and with the inherent difficulty of timing so many models simultaneously in the air. (I’ve heard rumors of flight times that were composites of two flights.)  Fourth, Sunday mid-day flyoffs.
The obvious hammer “solutions” are to reduce performance in a variety of means – span limits, auto surface limits, 20 gram motors etc. Not mentioned are unpleasantries like adding weights or increasing a model’s cross section. A no-second-attempt was once dropped after a year.
We should accept free flight models’ performance as-is. I’ve flown all free flight events (A, B, C and Q) because models go up like javelins into the sky and descend like feathers. (A rather poetic point. Current Q’s are more sedate.)
We should also accept truncated-flyoffs as a realistic way to conclude contests. Two minute flyoffs are completely fair and I’ve watched and participated in a few. The models that climb higher or those launched into better air end up at the top of the heap. Whether truncated-flyoffs are altimeter flyoffs or DT flyoffs is something we should work out over time.
If the number in the first flyoff is small, they all fly a truncated-flyoff and we are done.
Large truncated-flyoffs might require flying in shifts. Flyers are divided randomly into two groups (early and late shifts). The top 50% in each shift proceed to the next flyoff phase. (Taking the top 50% of each shift neutralize the specific weather conditions in each shift.) The top 50% of each shift flyoff against each other for podium positions. And when complete ranking is required, the bottom 50% of each shift flyoff against each other.
(So we have ended up with the oddities like “truncated-flyoffs” and “truncated-shift-flyoffs”.)   ///

Patterson Results
PATTERSON          Nov 1617TH    2019            BRIAN VANNEST CD

F1A                    Rnd1  Rnd2  Rnd3  Rnd4  Rnd5  Rnd6  Rnd7  F01   F02   total
1  Jim Parker            240   180   180   143   180   180   180              1283
2  Brian VanNest         240   180   180   129   179   180   180              1268
3  Peter Allnut          240   180   180   123   180   180   180              1263
4  Mike McKeever          27   180   180   180   180   180   180              1107

F1B                    Rnd1  Rnd2  Rnd3  Rnd4  Rnd5  Rnd6  Rnd7  FO 1  FO2   total
1  Walt Ghio             240   180   180   180   180   180   180   360   476  2156
2  Jerry Fitch           240   180   180   180   180   180   180   360   408  2088
3  Blake Jensen          240   180   180   180   180   180   180   360   389  2069
4  Larry Norvell         240   180   180   180   180   180   180   360   365  2045
5  Michael Davis         240   180   180   180   180   180   180   360   324  2004
6  Tiffany Odell         240   180   180   180   180   180   180   360   277  1957
7  Mike Richardson       240   180   180   112   180   180   180              1252

F1C                    Rnd 1 Rnd 2 Rnd 3 Rnd4  Rnd 5 Rnd6  Rnd 7
1  Daryl Perkins         240   180   180   180   180   180   180              1320
2  Ed Carroll            240   180   180   180   126   180   180              1266
3  Terry Kerger          240   180   180   180   113   180   180              1253
4  Guy Menano            240Dnf   Dnf   Dnf   Dnf   Dnf   Dnf                  240

F1Q                    Rnd 1 Rnd 2 Rnd 3 Rnd 4 Rnd 5 Rnd 6 Rnd 7
1  Ben Tarcher           220   180   180   180   180   180   180              1300

F1H                    Rnd 1 Rnd 2 Rnd 3 Rnd 4 Rnd 5 FO 1  FO 2  FO 3
1  Jim Parker            120   120   120   120   120   180   239              1019
2  Brian VanNest         120   120   120   120   120   180    97               877
3  Blake Jensen          120   120   114   120   120                           594

F1G                    Rnd 1 Rnd 2 Rnd 3 Rnd 4 Rnd 5 FO1   FO2   FO3
1  Mike Richardson       120   120   120   120   120   180                     780
2  Kurt Van Nest         120   120   120   120   120     0                     600
3  Mike Davis            120   120   120   119   120                           599
4  Tiffany Odell         120   118   120   120   120                           598
5  Walt Ghio             120   120   118   120   120                           598

F1S                    Rnd 1 Rnd 2 Rnd 3 Rnd 4 Rnd 5 FO1   FO2
1  Larry Norvall         120   120   120   120   120                           600

1  Terry Kerger          120   120   120   120   120   360                     960
2  Daryl Perkins         120   120   120   120   120    52                     652
3  Guy Menano            120   120   120   120    81                           561

Calm at Old Blighty

From: john carter

just read comments re UK flying weather, yep its a island but we do get calm days I been out flying 4 days in last 12 and could have had 3 more but was otherwise engaged.

So its not that bad

F1B models and parts for sale:

2 models Stefanchuck 1720 mm with  AA VP DPR  with mechanical timers models perfectly trimmed and ready to fly
in great condition with no damage

Blazevitch 1:4 winder with torque-meter and electronic counter
Stefanchuk winding stand with Kevlar ropes
3* Stefanchuk half tube for outside winding
Stefanchuk rubber “Bobins”
Stefanchuk rubber ‘Piserchio hooks” for outside winding
Extra wing pins
Stefanchuck prop angle correction device
Set of new Stefanchuk balsa-fiberglass props with easy clips fittings
Fiberglass model box for 4 models

Will make a nice discount for buying the entire/most of the equipment  – (can be sent in the model box)
Excelent opportunity for a sportsman to get into the class of F1B with nice competitive models with all the equipment needed.

Please contact me via e-mail or Facebook for additional info and prices
Ittai Shichman