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  1. Great
  2. You need to leap
  3. Lock it all up
  4. Alt Action
  5. Flying Electrons
  6. North American Cup
  7. Kiwi Cup
  8. Isaacson Winter in October Classic
  9. Kiwi Cup F1E

Altimter section


From:gary pope
Great editorial Rog, you left me wanting more. Cheers

You need to leap

From: gliderbohm

As usual, the thinking in your editorial is clear, smart, and wise. I think you are spot on.  Although, instead of crossing the chasm we might have to Leap!Also, what kept me reading was your humor, thanks


Lock it all up

From: Dean McGinnes

This is from a modeler who does NOT fly any FAI events..  In consulting with stakeholders maybe someone should be interested is why a lifetime Free Flight (Always Capitalize) does not participate.
My solution to the “Chasm”:  Go back to locked down models.  I can hear the factories in Eastern Europe screaming!
F1A–no circle tow, zoom or bunt.  DT and auto rudder only.  50 meters of line.  Talk about leveling the playing field!F1B–prop stop and DT only.  Also no auto surfaces.  40 gram motorsF1C–engine stop and DT only, no auto surfaces. 7 seconds engine run.
Keep the 3-minute max
Introduce same changes to the “lesser” classes.
Models would be simpler and within reach of more younger modelers.  Some might actually build them themselves (horrors!)
The factories could still churn out models but their costs to produce would be greatly reduced.  No need to reinstate the dreaded BOM.  No restriction on materials, the composite industry will still be viable.
Performance reduced and field size requirements greatly eased.
Many say that FAI should be about extracting all possible performance.  Well, that concept would remain and even more emphasis would be on flying and trimming kill rather than being able to write the big checks out-spending the competition.
I’m sure this won’t be printed in SEN, since it is at odds with every corner of the “FAI establishment”.  It does, however, make perfect sense.
Dean McGinnes
Alabama, USA

Alt Action

The first use of All-Tee in a contest has been reported with Gauthier Briere of France winning and Daniel Seifert of German second in the F1C Flyoff at the Eifel Pokal in Germany.


Flying Electrons

Seen of the FB, there are just a few Icare2 GPS left but they will superseded by the latest Flying MiniNeurone from the same source but different name and web site. This will be ready “real soon now”. The web site is or go here to see our favorite flying site in all it’s glory ,  our favorite class and the current World Champ


2021 North American Cup
AMA Sanction 10858
American Cup Event

Date: Sunday, October 17th 2021
Place:  Bissonette Mirage Field, Lost Hills, CA USA
Events: Individual F1A, F1B, F1C, F1P &  F1Q
Entry Fees:  $30.00 for all events, junior’s $5.00

Organizer: Walt Ghio:
Co-Organizer: Peter Allnutt: 527 Philippine St, Taft CA USA +1(661) 763-5039

Round 1 9:00 am – 10:00 am  Rd 1: 240 sec max F1A/B/C/P/Q
                   Round 2 10:00 am – 11:00 am Rd 2: 180 sec max F1A/B/C/P/Q
Round 3 11:00 am – 12:00 pm  Rd 3: 180 sec max F1A/B/C/P/Q
Round 4 12:00 pm – 1:00 pm  Rd 4: 180 sec max F1A/B/C/P/Q
Round 5 1:00 pm – 2:00 pm  Rd 5: 180 sec max F1A/B/C/P/Q

F1A/B/C/P/Q Fly-offs: 3:00 pm to 6:30 p.m.

As in the past we will have team awards for F1A, F1B and F1C teams.  Sign up before the first round has started with your three team members.  Please name you team.

Trophies for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place F1A, F1B, F1C, F1P & F1Q.  Medals for top Junior’s in F1ABP.  Final awards ceremony will be after the final flyoffs.  Also, snacks and champagne for the competitors.

Deviations from the FAI sporting code and special instructions:
Competitors MUST provide their own timekeepers.
Fly-off Max times and start time will be decided by the Jury depending on the weather.
A Starting “area” will be utilized without pole positions.

Isaacson Winter Classic and Kiwi Cup

Lost Hills, California, 2-4 October 2021

Kiwi Cup FAI events

America’s Cup

Kiwi Cup – F1A, B, C, P & Q – Saturday 2 October

7 round Schedule: Saturday 2 October, Reserve days 3,4 October 2021
1                    8:00am–9:00am
2                    9:00am–10:00am
3 – 7               on the hour, to 3pm; Round One Max: 240 seconds, all others 180.
Fly-Off Schedule:
to be announced

No official time keepers provided – fliers help. Official flight line by class, no poles assigned.

Kiwi F1G, H, J & S – Sunday 3 October 2021

Round one, 8:00 AM ‘Champagne Flyoff’ Time to the ground. Round Schedule:
Rounds 1-5, two minute max.
1   8:00am–8:45am
2   9:00am–9:45am
3   9:45am–10:30am
4   10:30am–11:15am
5   11:15am–12:00pm
Fly-Offs will begin at 12:15 noon and finish by 3:00.
At 3:00, any remaining ties will be broken by using Champagne Flight Times

 Kiwi World Cup F1E – Monday 4 October  2021 – Separate flyer

COVID-19 mitigation requirements will be in effect
Entry Fees:
“Kiwi” ABCPQ America’s  Cup events $30
Mini Events $20.00 – includes one event.
Additional events $5.00 each.
Juniors $5

CD Brian Van Nest
2346 Cheyenne Dr
Bishop CA 93514
Cell 760-937-0177

In memory of our dear friends, Bob and LaVera Isaacson

Isaacson October Classic
AMA Events
At Lost Hills, California
2 and 3 October 2021
National Cup events
In conjunction with Kiwi Cup  America’s Cup Events

Saturday  October 2, 2021
Go for the Gold with Golden Age ½ A
AMA Gas 1/2A
Norm Furutani  HLG ($Prize)
E-36 – AMA rules
Vintage FAI Gas – no rounds
NOS Gas A,
Gollywock One Design 3 x 3min max trophy from Bob White
AMA Gas C, D, Sup. D Combined.

Sunday October 3, 2021
Mass Launch from Specials 7:30*
E-36 Mass Launch  **
Gollywock. (tie breaker for 3 X 3) and separate prize
Regular Events 7am – 4pm
Norm Furutani CLG ($prize)
NOS Gas B and C Combined
AMA Gas  A and B
NOS Gas 1/4A,   Early 1/2A ,1/2A  Combined
Nos Electric –  all classes combined
NOS Rubber
Large and small combined-NFFS Rules
Bob White Award for  Vintage Wakefield as per new rules, no rounds
Classic Glider NFFS Rules

COVID-19 mitigation requirements will be in effect


AMA Events – Event Director Glenn Schneider

For the FAI events including Kiwi Cup for F1ABCPQ, Mini events F1HGJS and F1E, see a separate flyer

Small Print section

Entry Fees $20 for the first event (can be an FAI event) and $5 for subsequent events. $5 for Juniors.

For the mass launch events the exact launch time of each event will be given later*
The E-36 Mass launch will be coordinated with the first round of F1S (which may be delayed if there is a long Kiwi Cup  flyoff on Sunday AM )**

Golden Age:  Any post NOS design published, kitted or flown competitively between 1 Jan 1957 and 31 Dec 1969 scaled if needed to 1/2 A size, powered by either Holland Hornet 049-051 or Cox TD 049-051.  Construction must replicate the original design, no carbon fiber to be used in construction.  NOS flight rules.   Gas powered only for this award.

Vintage FAI :  5 flights, no rounds, First flight before 9 A.M. will be timed to the ground, that time will be used as a tie breaker if a tie persists after two regular flyoff rounds.  Flyoffs if needed will be scheduled for 1 P.M.  Flyoff type. longer flights vs shorter engine runs will be determined by the consensus of the fliers involved and weather conditions at the time.  Era specification and engine runs per NFFS

Combined events will be separated for National Cup points. AMA gas events will be determined AMA vs Classic when registered for National Cup.

2021:  Roger Morrell is out of the country in October 2021 and Brian Van Nest is the CD for 2021 , Thank you very much Brian. Glenn Schneider is running the AMA events. 8/26

Rest of the story: As most of you know Norm Furutani, one of the founders of this event retired from running it after  the 2018 event.  This event is very popular along with the FAI events.   Glenn Schneider has offered to run the AMA events with a number of volunteers.  This is very much appreciated by me and by those who want to take part.  We have tried to maintain the spirit of the event. Popular events with the largest participation are the HLG and CLG,  Gollywock, E-36, Vintage FAI and Nos Rubber.  At the Winter Classic in the past we have promoted special events, typically boosted by some donated $ in the prize money.  This year we have the Golden Age ½ A Gas models.

Most of the people who have offered to help are AMA/Nos gas flyers. Glenn can probably do with some help, particularly on Saturday from some with electric, glider or rubber model experience.

Brian Van Nest  CD of the Isaacson October Classic and Kiwi Cup.
In memory of our dear friends, Bob and LaVera Isaacson


PLACE: Holloway Hill, 1.5 miles SE of Bissonette Mirage Field parking
GPS coordinates 35.655°N, 119.787°W.
SCHEDULE: Five (5) 50-minute rounds with 10 minute breaks
9:00 am Arrival on Holloway Hill
1st Round   10:00 – 10.50
2nd Round  11:00 – 11:50
3rd Round  12:00 – 12:50
4th Round  13:00 – 13:50
5th Round  14:00 – 14:50
Fly-off to be announced

AWARDS: 1st through 3rd place awards after completion of contest
ENTRY FEE: $30.00 Open, $10.00 Junior
NOTE: AMA membership is required.
2021 FAI Sporting Code will apply.
Timers will not be provided. Please team up for timing – time one, fly one.
This is an America’s Cup contest.
In case of inclement weather the contest will be held as soon as feasible.
COVID-19 mitigation requirements will be in effect.
HOLLOWAY HILL: This hill was made from overburden when excavating gypsum from          the pit. The vertical distance from the hill to the pit floor is approx. 34m (111ft). For F1E competitors parking near the flight line is possible.