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SEN 2176

Table of Contents – SEN 2176

  1. 2016 Huron Cup report:
  2. Looking for Q World Cup slots
  3. Looking for stuff for a USA Junior
  4. Stuff we did not print …

2016 Huron Cup report:
Saturday August 13th, 2016
Location: Zander and Brayford sod farms, New Tecumseth Ontario, Canada

The weather forecast for August 13th was not promising. Thunderstorms and strong winds forecast in the afternoon had us wondering if we would be able to get any flights in Saturday or not. Saturday morning was damp and overcast but calmer than expected. Attendance was down this year. There was a larger pre entry for the first published date of the contest in July, and no doubt the rescheduled date affected the attendance as potential competitors had already committed to other events.

Round one went off on time and many maxes were returned. Round two saw the unexpected calmer conditions continue and decent air was fairly easy to find. A wind shift caused us to move the flight line to avoid a plowed field and potential obstacles (trees) downwind. Round 3 saw the start of some rain sprinkles but nothing that we couldn’t handle. The start of Round 4 was delayed as stronger rain began. After a delay the rain subsided and we could begin again. Round 4 began and the weather was holding but there were very ominous looking dark clouds heading our way. Models were drifting across a deep ditch that ran along the field in the East/West direction. Fortunately the drier than normal summer weather meant that the ditches were dry this year so were not a problem for crossing. Maxes were still fairly easy as little down air was observed (although Aram Schlosberg managed to find some). Aram, Ron Felix and I were walking across the sod to retrieve our models when a massive thunderstorm hit. 100 km/hr winds and torrential rain made visibility non existent. The models were successfully retrieved but not before the rain had played havoc with our electronic timers!

Apparently several tornadoes were spotted in surrounding towns at the time and an entire months worth of rainfall was recorded in the span of an hour. Serious weather indeed!

The contest was postponed with only Cameron Ackerley failing to have recorded a score for round 4. We left the field a soggy bunch and adjourned to Ladi Horak’s nearby cottage for a well earned barbecue and a chance to dry our waterlogged clothes.

The weather cleared up and we returned to the field to attempt to complete the contest. The F1A group managed to successfully complete round 5, however F1B had to wait until Cameron could complete his round 4 flight. A rain squall hit us again and forced yet another delay. The rain stopped and finally Cameron was able to get his flight in. However, Round 5 for F1B was cancelled as dark clouds and lightning made continuing unsafe.

F1A had two flyers still clean, Jama Danier and Vidas Nickolajevas. It was decided to have the F1A flyoff at sunrise on Sunday before the Canada Cup would begin. Sunday morning saw cool overcast conditions with light drift which was ideal for the flyoff. Jama had had difficulty all day Saturday with communication issues with his M&K timers on all of his models. So he was not able to make any possible adjustments to his models. He decided to fly his carbon wing LDA model which had been trimmed for calm evening conditions. Jama had a good launch but the air was somewhat bumpy rather than smooth and his model was stalling for 236 sec. Vidas made a good launch also but not as high but his model held steady for the win with 247 sec.

F1B was concluded on Monday morning with 4 flyers still clean after 4 rounds; Ron Felix, Cameron Ackerley, Tony Mathews and Ladi Horak. Cameron declined to get up so early for a 3rd day in a row so just 3 flyers would contend the flyoff.

The conditions were ideal with virtually no wind and blue skies after some mist burned off after the sun rose.

Aram Schlosberg helped with time keeping and all 3 flyers got off good flights within the 10 minute window. Ron Felix was 3rd with a flight of 4:41. Ladi Horak took second place with a flight of 5:48 using his thermal model (in thermal trim with a glide circle too tight for the conditions). Tony Mathews was 1st with a flight of 7:11 using a new F1B with full carbon wings.

Final Results:


Vidas Nikolajevas  1147 sec

Jama Danier           1136 sec

Peter Allnutt           851 sec

Leslie Farkas           806 sec



Tony Mathews      1151 sec

Ladi Horak              1056 sec

Ron Felix                 1001 sec

Cameron Ackerley 720 sec

Aram Schlosberg   701 sec



Yury Shvendenkov 720 sec

I want to thank Ladi Horak and Nina Slezak for their generous hospitality at the Barbeque. It is always a highlight of the weekend. Challenging weather conditions but in the end a good contest.

Hopefully we will see more of our American friends next year to fly on the biggest lawn in the world!

Tony Mathews
CD Huron Cup


 Looking for World Cup Q-slots.

World Cups (WC) typically include A, B and C, and occasionally E and Q. Actually, events can be split. For example, I once used the Sierra Cup’s Q-slot in Wawayanda New York and had to submit a WC application and pay the full entry fee. Unfortunately, that year, only Dave Lacey flew and I could not justify using the slot the following year.

Fast forward. At Wawayanda today we have Dick Ivers, Drake Hooke, Yuda Avela, Joel Yori, Rich Wagner and myself flying Q. So it would be great if we could get a WC Q-slot for next May or June from any country that does not use it next year.

The same applies to the Nats, held at the end of July at Muncie, Indiana. This year there were 14 Q-fliers from across the country. (As an aside, Denver could use two WC E-slots in mid-July next year.)

I’m reachable at aram.schlosberg1 at


Looking for help for  USA Junior
From: George Voss
We are prepping my grandson for the Jr worlds. I have a mentor in Mike
Fedor, who’s son’s and grandson’s have been on the team. I have the parts
for the F1P models on the way but can use another Cyclon if anyone is
willing to part with one.

We also need an F1A and F1B that can either be borrowed or hopefully donated
to the cause. The Worlds is in 2 years and we have a lot to teach my
grandson in that short period of time and any help will be GREATLY
appreciated! He is home schooled and we have the time to practice but like
everything else in life, money is tight.

George Voss

Stuff we did not print ….

There were two follow up item that we received that we did not yet print.  This is not because we disagreed with the writer or were trying to censor something. We just thought that they did not explain the whole story.  We think this maybe because the people were not native English speaker and had some difficulty in expressing themselves fully.  Here is our take on the 2 items

Complaint about a person being disqualified for using his car for retrieval and it not being mentioned in the jury report.

The sportsman wrote to say the jury report had been updated and offered a further explanation as to why he had been DQ’d.
Lessons from this episode
The sportsman did not know the rules as to where he could drive and could not. Neither did one of the jury members who was in the card with him – lesson: organizers need to over explain these local rules to sportsmen and jury.  Sportsmen and jury members need to listen and read

Person learned of his DQ after leaving the event.  And one jury member was not involved in the decision.  Better direct communication with sportsmen on important events like DQ and opportunity to get sportsman’s input and to explain exactly to sportsman why he was DQ’d

Supporter wrote after Junior World Champs to say that results still had not been corrected.
Supporter is correct in that results should be correct.  Firstly the results on the field during the event are most important for the sportsmen (that were correct?) then results online and in the historical records.  It is an honor and achievement to take part in a World Championship not matter where you finish.  The entry fees for these events are significantly more than a World Cup event and this places greater responsibility on the organizer.  This part of our world is changing fast, particularly with respect to online information.  Online information is important to keep out hobby/sport alive.  The CIAM leadership must take leadership role in ensuring that organizers of World Champs understand their information distribution responsibility.

On the other hand organizing such an event is a major effort and often criticism comes from people who have never run a major event.

Roger Morrell