National Free Flight Society

SEN 1967

Table of Contents SEN 1967

  1. Fab Feb Clarifications
  2. FF Dude Award
  3. AM Cup banquet and More
  4. F1A wings for Sale
  5. Ping Pong Ball experiment
  6. Only Change the fly off
  7. Dukie’s POV
  8. Leslie’s input

Fab Feb Clarifications
The Kiwi World Cup with deviate from standard FAI rules in that it will be flown from a flight line with no pole positions. No time keepers will be provided and sportsmen are expected to time each other. For the flyoffs the objective is to have 2 timer keepers for each model from 2 different countries.

Following the recent kerfuffle in the last World Cup of the year sportsmen should have their numbers on their models as required by FAI and AMA regulation. They risk disqualification if they do not.

The results of the events will be online in close to real-time. Links will follow. Note that the Kiwi and North American do not require registration in advance, although doing it is very much appreciated, some all entrants may not appear on the results immediately.

FF Dude Award
As last year SEN and Magic Model Sport will be sponsoring the FF Dudes Awards for the Fab Feb F1ABCQ events. This is the best aggregate score in each class using the world Cup scoring with no bonus points and no mulligans (not an anti-Irish move but to say scores for all 3 events count no matter if you were there or not). Last year’s winners were – A : Gorsky, B: Andriukov & Ghio (tie) C: Babenko and Q: Crowe

America’s Cup Banquet

As in the past years, the 2014 AmCup Awards will be awarded at the SCAT AmCup Banquet in association with the 2015 MaxMen contest at the Wasco Elks Club, Saturday Feb 14, 2014. Make plans to stop and get a rose for your special gal and treat her to great meal and festivities! We’re having the classic tritip, dinner. Janna V worked with the staff at the Elks club for the veggie dish this year– eggplant parmigiana. I have 8 dinners for my known veggy friends– if you usually don’t go veggy but want the eggplant parmigiana you must contact me by email.

In addition to the AmCup awards, we’ll be awarding other SCAT awards.

The 2015 Mentor award goes to Chuck Etherington, Chuck had many nominations followed by Brian Van Nest.

The SCAT Black cup goes to Shlomi Roenzwieg, he won one and place second twice at the five SCAT Cup contests this past summer.

We have inducted nine SCAT members into the Life Membership category in appreciation for their past long service to SCAT. Thank you for your service. Tokens of appreciation are in works—perhaps ready for the AmCup on February 14, 2015 for those that can attend.

George Batiuk
Pierre Brun
Hector Diez
Dick Gildersleeve
Al Hotard
Juan Livotto
Bob Norton
Robert Provart
Bob Van Nest

Congratulation to the 2014 America’s Cup winners. Reminder to the AmCup first place winners to shine up the perpetual trophy, dust off your coat and tie to up-hold the award banquet standards. Jr indicates the highest placing FAI junior flyer. 2013 winners are responcible to have thier perpetual trophy engraved, polished and delivered to the 2014 Banquet on Feb 14, 2015. I have the F1C, J and Q trophies.


1 Jama Danier

2 Jim Parker

3 Shlomi Rosenzweig

4 Andrew Barron

5 Brian VanNest

Jr Garrett Tremayne


1 Walt Ghio

2 Blake Jensen

3 Tom Vaccaro

4 Charles Jones

5 Alex Andriukov

Jr Jace Pivonka


1 Gil Morris

2 Faust Parker

3 Ron Mc Burnett

4 Don Chesson

5 Randy Secor


1 Bob Hanford

2 Taron Malkhasyan

3 Cade Fedor

4 Glen Schneider

5 Colby Fedor

Jr Taron Malkhasyan


1 Tiffany O’Dell

2 Tony Mathews

3 Peter Brocks

3 John Clapp

5 Blake Jensen

Jr Kyle Gerspacher


1 Bob Sifleet

2 Brian VanNest

3 Mike McKeever

4 Jean Pailet

5 Jim Parker

Jr Kyle Gerspacher


1 Faust Parker

2 Jean Pailet

3 Bob Hanford

4 Gil Morris

5 Ray Boyd

Jr Cody Fedor


1 Matt Gewain

2 Bernie Crowe

3 Julie Parker

4 Mike Pykelny

5 Joel Yori

Jr Joel Yori


1 Peter Brocks

2 Tom Ioerger

3 Bob Sifleet

4 Dick Wood

4 Rick Pangell

Jr Garrett Tremayne

Thermals, JIM

F1A Wings for sale
From: Ken Bauer

Stamov short wings with “Victors” airfoil. One of first sets made with Victor’s “super high tech” molded D-box. Vintage 2006. 6.5mm steel joiner. Not a single patch. Original Icarex covering. Never crashed. $300
Available February in Lost HillsKen Bauer

A Ping Pong Ball Experiment

A neutral way to reduce performance in flyoffs is to increase a model’s drag. We have an ancient antecedent of cross section requirements, but that was done to make models resemble the ‘real’ things but ended up with bulges along the fuselage.

One can increase drag by tethering (to avoid creating moments) ping pong balls to a model’s fuselage. If two ping pong balls are strung on the same line, they should be 4-5 diameters apart. The drag coefficient of a sphere is about 1.2 multiplied by its cross section, while that of the model can be approximated by 0.05 multiplied by the area of the wing. A back of the envelop calculation indicates that one 38 mm ping pong ball will reduce an F1B’s L/D by about 15%.

Between the contests at Maxmen ring I plan to experiment with the effect of ping pong balls. I bought a box with 30 balls and invite others to test their effect on their models’ altitude and glide. F1As and Cs would probably need at least 2 ping pong balls. Again, this is strictly a flyoffish experiment.

Aram Schlosberg

P.S. Interested to sell a Honda 110 chase bike. Can be reached at my name period, follows by schlosberg1 at

Only change flyoff rules
From: Roger Simpson
I hope this gets into a SEN publication for all to see prior to the
competitors traveling and those meetings that have been proposed.

Interesting to read all the comments regarding proposed rule changes. In
the latest SEN it was stated that “some parties were concerned” about the
performance level that might make it difficult to put on a World or
Continental Championships. I take this to mean dealing with the size of the
flying field, and visibility problems. I, like many others, have been
chasing performance for more than 50 years, and to the CIAM’s credit they
have not restricted technical advancements, nor have they antiquated any
models, engines, or equipment, that would wipeout the competitor’s monetary

I would propose a simple change to our F1 flyoff rules, with no change to
any F1 class rules, specifications, etc., that would be favorably received
by both the organizers and the competitors.

Simply change the ALL flyoff maxes to be a 6 minute max (360 seconds), with
the first round flyoff window to be 6 minutes, the second flyoff window to
be 4 minutes, and the third flyoff (if necessary) to be 3 minutes. Should a
fourth flyoff round be required, do the same as now.. next morning a 10
minute max but with a 3 minute window.

Had the organizers of the last European Championships used a constant 6
minute max there would not have been the situation in both the 7 minute and
the 9 minute flyoff rounds where F1C models glided into electric lines and
exploded at 7 minutes.

Organizers should know the flyoff limitations of their competition site and
limit the length of the flyoff rounds. I was the contest director for the
first 25 years of the Sierra Cup, and several times we went directly to the
next morning for a flyoff because of wind direction, or visibility problems
prevented us from holding flyoffs immediately after the rounds were

Yes these F1 events cost large investments in time and money….. And well
they should! This is the highest level of competition for free flight model
aircraft in the world.. World Championships are held, this is not an event
for a Saturday club fly day. Like Gil Morris stated, our beginner events in
America are the AMA classes. From those classes come our F1 competitors.
If no one is flying these events, why would we dumb down our classes .. For

Dukie’s POV
From: Douglas Galbreath
Hi. . . It’s me again “Dukie” to most of you. Doug to all the rest of you.
This is starting to get depressing. What I am seeing here is a small group of really good modelers that make up the (FAI FF portion) majority of the competitors in F1 free flight. The problem is there is no entry-level into FAI. You are either one of ’em or you’re not. In order to bring in potential competitors, there needs to be a practical way to expose potential participants to the sport of FAI free flight. We should be willing to look hard at proposals that would not necessarily change FAI, but would interest non participants in giving it a shot. I don’t know what the big shots in the sport are worried about. The FAI “beginner” probably would not be a threat to the “high buck” flyers, but the exposure would possibly entice some to go “all in” eventually. The present situation will not get better until we realize that our sport as we have known it, will surely croak. Look at the ages of the competitors in USA. If nothing else, we in the US could adopt a program to encourage some non-FAI guys and gals to give FAI a try without going “all-in”. If we were to include some kind of entry-level F1 participation, it might just light up some fire in the non-FAI community. Think about the future a bit. where do you see it in 10 years?
Thanks for listening
Doug Galbreath (Dukie)
Douglas Galbreath

Leslie’s Input
It was about five years ago when our modeller bee hive was stirred up based on an other British proposal. It is certainly good to see that there are many people out there who still care about the state of our sport. Here below are some of my thoughts from five years ago which were published in SCAT.